Agreed, the only problem I have with the hate crime issue is when it is the other way

Author: LTNDFAN (3308 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:02 pm on Mar 22, 2012

around, it is not enforced. Here in Saint Louis, a few years back 25 men of Negroid descent attacked, beat a man of Caucasuan descent to death and that was deemed not to be a hate crime because the victim was not a minority.

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Florida police chief steps down over teen shootng in Florida. [NT] [LINK] - LTNDFAN - 6:44pm 3/22/12 (81) [View All]
- Jeb Bush, who signed the stand your ground law into effect states that it [LINK] - LTNDFAN - 9:56pm 3/23/12
- That's a stupid law enacted at the request of the NRA and should be repealed. Zimmerman was.......... - NDinTN - 8:46pm 3/22/12
  - The law has nothing to do with what happened. Everything you refer to has to do with - LTNDFAN - 8:59pm 3/22/12
    - Stand Your Ground should NOT be negated just because you initiate a confrontation. - jakers - 2:36pm 3/23/12
      - I haven't heard anyone shout out that the law should be negated, modified? Hell yes. - Hibakusha - 9:22pm 3/23/12
        
        So you want the law repealled so that no citizen has a right to defend agsinst an attacker. - LTNDFAN - 10:00pm 3/23/12
        
        Re-read the word Modified [NT] - Hibakusha - 10:13pm 3/23/12
        
        Modified how? [NT] - LTNDFAN - 10:21pm 3/23/12
        
        Work on it [NT] - Hibakusha - 10:33pm 3/23/12
        
        I agree with Jeb Bush. See my post above. You want it modified. I don't. Why should I work on it? [NT] - LTNDFAN - 10:37pm 3/23/12
      - It depends on the state that you are in and - LTNDFAN - 4:19pm 3/23/12
    - I don't like FL state legislators passing bills that will let murderer's go free. They already...... - NDinTN - 9:09pm 3/22/12
      - I don't either , they have not done that. You sound like you - LTNDFAN - 9:23pm 3/22/12
        
        That's bullshit. I'm against a law that says all you need is the perception of harm to murder....... - NDinTN - 9:19pm 3/23/12
        
        Where is your concern to control the bad guys? Have - LTNDFAN - 10:08pm 3/23/12
    - How can you say the law is not relevant at all? - ND_in_ATL - 9:06pm 3/22/12
      - You don't get it. It is clear, under the conditions that the press is reporting, the law - LTNDFAN - 9:19pm 3/22/12
        
        You need to find some evidence to backup this statement: - ND_in_ATL - 8:50am 3/23/12
        
        What I said is true. Why the police failed to act in accordance with the law I - LTNDFAN - 11:47am 3/23/12
        
        Zimmerman did say the kid charged him - ND_in_ATL - 1:17pm 3/23/12
        
        I read this morning that there was a witness. A girl walking her dog. She - LTNDFAN - 3:44pm 3/23/12
        
        You didn't answer my question - ND_in_ATL - 4:04pm 3/23/12
        
        No. Throwing a punch does not give you the right to shoot someone, standing ground or not. [NT] - Rooster - 11:38pm 3/23/12
        
        Actually, in some circumstances it can be: - LTNDFAN - 2:28am 3/24/12
        
        Re: You didn't answer my question - LTNDFAN - 4:30pm 3/23/12
        
        What should the law state? - ND_in_ATL - 4:59pm 3/23/12
        
        When I read it, I did not have problem with the way it was written. I think - LTNDFAN - 8:33pm 3/23/12
        
        Have any of you guys looked into who has the burden of proof on this issue? [NT] - DirtyThirty - 8:35am 3/23/12
        
        I do not know the answer, sorry. If I get some info I will get back to you. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 3:45pm 3/23/12
        
        The answer is critical to how the case will be resolved. - DirtyThirty - 4:16pm 3/23/12
  - A hate crime might be possible. - AlbanyIRISH - 8:55pm 3/22/12
    - If that's what he said on a 911 call, they might have a case. I thought it was an incoherent sound [NT] - NDinTN - 9:02pm 3/22/12
      - Everything that idiot said was incoherent, but he said it. - AlbanyIRISH - 9:18pm 3/22/12
        
        He can have my old apartment in Bed-Stuy - Charlie Jrs Headset - 10:23pm 3/22/12
    - Agreed, the only problem I have with the hate crime issue is when it is the other way - LTNDFAN - 9:02pm 3/22/12
      - Did the police let him go without an investigation and no forensics like Zimmerman? [NT] - NDinTN - 9:05pm 3/22/12
        
        Let him go? There were 25 of them beating on one guy. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 4:34pm 3/23/12
        
        I asked if the POLICE let them go without an investigation. Maybe not a hate crime but murder....... - NDinTN - 9:25pm 3/23/12
        
        My point was you asked did they investigate him. I reminded that it was 25 to 1. - LTNDFAN - 10:06pm 3/23/12
        
        Don't know the answer to that, but your question is a separate issue. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:31am 3/23/12
- ....temporarily - ND_in_ATL - 8:20pm 3/22/12
  - That is correct. That is what he saying at this point. If all that has been made public is true, - LTNDFAN - 8:41pm 3/22/12
  - They're busing people in to protest, kids are walking out of school.... - AlbanyIRISH - 8:34pm 3/22/12
    - The riots are gonna happen either way: - LTNDFAN - 8:47pm 3/22/12
      - So you know for sure there would have been celebration riots? - ND_in_ATL - 9:13pm 3/22/12
        
        Nope, I am just looking at history. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 9:24pm 3/22/12
- He shouldn't have stepped down - Hibakusha - 7:26pm 3/22/12
  - There is no law that created this situation. Actually he was questioned and - LTNDFAN - 7:37pm 3/22/12
    - That's ludicrous - jimbasil - 8:34pm 3/22/12
    - 776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.— - Hibakusha - 7:45pm 3/22/12
      - This does not apply. The aggressor cannot claim self defense via this law or any other. When - LTNDFAN - 7:54pm 3/22/12
        
        The law does not have that language [LINK] - ND_in_ATL - 8:44pm 3/22/12
        
        The aggressor can claim self defense and the law as written encourages him to - Hibakusha - 7:59pm 3/22/12
        
        Sorry, I do not agree. Would you favor repealling the law so that nobody - LTNDFAN - 8:02pm 3/22/12
        
        I prefer repealing the law so that more kids don't get killed - ND_in_ATL - 8:23pm 3/22/12
        
        It is not that way in our state. You are making a broad term regarding the law. In - LTNDFAN - 9:12pm 3/22/12
        
        See my link above. - ND_in_ATL - 9:15pm 3/22/12
        
        Sorry, I respectfully disagree with the comments in the article: - LTNDFAN - 9:43pm 3/22/12
  - Was the shooter under the influence of drugs or alcohol? - fredyo - 7:32pm 3/22/12
    - No tests were performed before he was released. No gun powder residue or drug tests [NT] - NDinTN - 9:13pm 3/22/12
      - Right, bad police work, not bad law. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 9:25pm 3/22/12
    - If he was, it is not mentioned in any news reports that I have seen. I would - LTNDFAN - 7:39pm 3/22/12
      - My understanding is that he was interviewed, not given a test and given a pass. [NT] - fredyo - 7:50pm 3/22/12
        
        Sounds like bad police work to me. All the more reason to investigate these cops too. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 7:56pm 3/22/12
    - I will bet you money that the Concealed Carry Law in Florida - Hibakusha - 7:38pm 3/22/12
      - Hibakusha = Mayor Daley? - Flanner525 - 7:55am 3/23/12
      - For obvious reasons, methinks. - fredyo - 7:49pm 3/22/12
        
        You're joking - Hibakusha - 7:56pm 3/22/12
        
        Apparently you fail to understand that the stroke of a pen affects tens of thousands.... - fredyo - 8:06pm 3/22/12
        
        Absolute balderdash my old friend and you know it - Hibakusha - 8:10pm 3/22/12
        
        I know this...Michigan State is OVERRATED! - fredyo - 8:15pm 3/22/12
      - That is a sure win bet. All states prohibit CCW in Government buildings to my knowledge, The - LTNDFAN - 7:44pm 3/22/12
        
        What are they afraid of? Don't guns make it safer? [NT] - Hibakusha - 7:45pm 3/22/12
        
        Bad guys have made it past security somehow and shot up the courtroom. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 7:58pm 3/22/12
        
        And schools and churches, restaurants.... - Hibakusha - 8:01pm 3/22/12
        
        G'Night, you're just being obtuse. [NT] - Hibakusha - 8:08pm 3/22/12
        
        Not true, but goodnight just the same. Godspeed my friend. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 8:17pm 3/22/12
        
        I am sorry and I am not being critical, but I do not understand parts of your post. What - LTNDFAN - 8:05pm 3/22/12
        
        As my Father and Grandfather before him used to say to me as a teen.... - fredyo - 7:53pm 3/22/12
        
        I was always given this advice: [IMAGE] - Charlie Jrs Headset - 10:30pm 3/22/12
        
        Well that too. (;=D)... - fredyo - 10:50pm 3/22/12

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