You assume facts not in evidence

I understand the frustration. It is a common feeling.

But I don't know where you come up with the shit that "players don't put in the effort." There are lots of kids that don't pan out at all schools for a variety of reasons. ND has to eat them where other programs frequently don't.

ND inherently deals at a numbers disadvantage in several ways: 1)ND doesn't not chase off kids that don't pan out like many other schools do, 2) it is rare for a player to successfully leave(for the NFL draft) after 3 years of attendance, and 3) ND doesn't oversign. Even on a very conservative estimate, that means that many of the top 25 programs have 10-15 more players during a given 4 years period who effectively are getting tryouts. ND gets 85 whereas most programs probably have 95-100. That is a significant number of players. That is just an educated guess by the way.

That isn't to excuse that suckass coaching we have had but you draw conclusions based on a faulty set of assumptions. You cite Deion Walker -- he was a heavily recruited player. He didn't pan out. Why that was is impossible to explain. You cite Roby Toma who is actually panning out perhaps not as a superstar but as a nice player who contributes to team success. Other top 25 programs have overachieving Tomas -- and underachieving Walkers. ND has less margin for error which means ND has to have a coaching staff that can is strong on developing the overachievers and limit the fall out from the underachievers.

If we have the right coaching, we can get the talent--heck we have the talent now.