Well, that and the turnovers.

Author: MAS (6455 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:59 am on Jun 15, 2012

Michigan has done a better job of not turning it over, a category in which ND is above average. Now, traditionally, when teams commit few turnovers, the coach is credited with some of that, but we'll throw that out in this case as it's inconvenient to the running narrative.

I ask this purely as a hypothetical, but if and when Denard Robinson leaves and Michigan continues to beat ND, what might you offer as a new hypothesis for their more above average averageness in comparison?

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Cooks: “We wanted to match up with USC and Michigan - AAA - 9:38am 6/15/12 (50) [View All]
- Hahahaha [NT] - ImWearingJeanShorts - 7:08pm 6/16/12
- Sparty is the best team in the state, not your boys from Walmart. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:11pm 6/15/12
  - Sparty sucks [NT] - seascapepro23 - 1:33pm 6/15/12
    - Nobody sucks more than Michigan, except maybe their conference affiliate Jerry Sandusky. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 2:45pm 6/15/12
- I love that Michigan fans think they are on the same level as the USC's of the world - Rocket91 - 11:46am 6/15/12
  - I like your thinking here. [NT] - Chrisb - 4:14pm 6/15/12
    - Was it the "every lucky bounce" part? - MAS - 12:36pm 6/16/12
  - Would you agree that, but for the cheating, ND would be superior to USC? - MAS - 11:51am 6/15/12
    - I think playing against any team that is cheating makes things harder - Rocket91 - 12:04pm 6/15/12
      - What's no longer "cute." - MAS - 12:31pm 6/15/12
        
        Re: What's no longer "cute." - Rooster - 11:50pm 6/15/12
        
        Well, of course I'm correct. - MAS - 12:27pm 6/16/12
        
        Every program? What is wrong with you? - Rocket91 - 2:56pm 6/15/12
        
        No, I don't think Michigan has reached elite status. - MAS - 3:22pm 6/15/12
        
        You get into the glue supply a little earlier than usual today? [NT] - ShowMeIrish - 2:50pm 6/15/12
        
        "Looks like I picked the wrong weekend to stop sniffing glue." [NT] - MAS - 3:22pm 6/15/12
  - I agree 100%; the reckoning is coming [NT] - ChicagoIrish - 11:50am 6/15/12
- Ann Arbor Asshole [NT] - ChicagoIrish - 11:20am 6/15/12
- Enough with the Michigan lovefest... - Vstorm07 - 11:00am 6/15/12
  - It aint love... - AAA - 6:00pm 6/15/12
  - Can you explain what is "above average" about the ND football program? - MAS - 11:14am 6/15/12
    - I said above average team with a substandard QB...translates to around average on the whole. [NT] - Vstorm07 - 11:52am 6/15/12
      - Well, that and the turnovers. - MAS - 11:59am 6/15/12
        
        Who was responsible for over 75% of those turnovers? - IrishfaninTX - 11:58pm 6/16/12
        
        who is arguing this? - ChicagoIrish - 1:35pm 6/15/12
        
        Who is arguing that cheating and rotten luck are to blame for these losses? - MAS - 2:09pm 6/15/12
    - there are 121 FBS programs, I'd say we're safely above average in most categories - ChicagoIrish - 11:35am 6/15/12
      - Got it. For decades, being "above average" at ND meant being in the top 10. - MAS - 11:42am 6/15/12
        
        If you think that's what above avg still means at ND, you're crazy. Also, if you don't think BK's - JDriveSthND - 8:30pm 6/15/12
        
        I agree that UM has a similar talent level. - MAS - 12:33pm 6/16/12
        
        Seems to me you guys are talking about different populations - Flanner525 - 1:50pm 6/15/12
        
        Indeed we are. - MAS - 2:03pm 6/15/12
        
        Well since he was talking about Michigan first - Flanner525 - 2:23pm 6/15/12
        
        Mostly because I do not agree that ND is that close to UM at this point. - MAS - 2:28pm 6/15/12
        
        Threve steps ahead of us - Flanner525 - 2:40pm 6/15/12
        
        Got it, quarterback is the crucial variable. - MAS - 3:24pm 6/15/12
        
        correct - ChicagoIrish - 1:54pm 6/15/12
        
        Re: Got it. For decades, being "above average" at ND meant being in the top 10. - ChicagoIrish - 11:50am 6/15/12
        
        Ah, so it's ND's above average status in committing turnovers that is holding it back? - MAS - 11:53am 6/15/12
        
        enlighten us as to the full list of arbitrary categories, please - ChicagoIrish - 1:33pm 6/15/12
        
        Incorrect. - MAS - 2:22pm 6/15/12
        
        (Insert obligatory talking point: "Times have changed, things are different now.") [NT] - MAS - 11:43am 6/15/12
        
        if you close your eyes and wish hard enough, that straw man might come to life [NT] - ChicagoIrish - 11:51am 6/15/12
        
        Don't you hate when someone anticipates what you're going to say? [NT] - MAS - 12:00pm 6/15/12
        
        I do not. It usually means I'm communicating clearly. - ChicagoIrish - 1:55pm 6/15/12
- So losing two players who would have been true freshmen is the difference? - ND_in_ATL - 10:47am 6/15/12
  - Re: So losing two players who would have been true freshmen is the difference? - AAA - 5:47pm 6/15/12
    - Yeah, Tee was all Kelly's fault - IrishfaninTX - 11:50pm 6/16/12
  - Diaco's love for soft zone coverage and limited blitzing does nothing to help a mostly slow defensi - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:05am 6/15/12
    - Slaughter and Jackson are slow? - ND_in_ATL - 11:29am 6/15/12

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