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So, McSweeney and ND in ATL - BaronVonZemo - 10:01pm 2/8/12 (18) [View All]

It is interesting that religious belief is relevant when it is - LTNDFAN - 11:54pm 2/8/12
- America's most persecuted super-majority. - MAS - 11:59pm 2/8/12
  - It has not been abolished in any state to my knowledge. However, - LTNDFAN - 12:20am 2/9/12
    - I'm addressing the propensity for people like you to misapply specific terms. - MAS - 12:48am 2/9/12
      - In practice "communism" and "socialism" tend to be the same thing. - iairishcheeks - 2:41am 2/9/12
      - Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.” [NT] - LTNDFAN - 1:07am 2/9/12
      - According to Santorum, you and I are "Libertines". I feel better already, Mr. Lothario MAS. [NT] - jimbasil - 12:55am 2/9/12
    - Not to side track the discussion, but it is not "Private HC". It is Corporate HC. - jimbasil - 12:45am 2/9/12
      - I would agree that most private sector healthcare providers are corporations. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 12:50am 2/9/12
        
        All. [NT] - jimbasil - 12:53am 2/9/12
        
        Thats OK with me. If you owned a company would you not incorporate? I used - LTNDFAN - 1:00am 2/9/12
        
        Corporations in and of themselves are not bad, however they are one half of the corporatism problem. - iairishcheeks - 3:05am 2/9/12
        
        Many corporations dole out big donations to both major parties in - LTNDFAN - 3:49am 2/9/12
Certainly Obama hasn't said that, but I will. [NT] - jimbasil - 10:17pm 2/8/12
- So, Jim, what special experience allows you to know what is best for the govt to force onto others? - BaronVonZemo - 10:33pm 2/8/12
  - By definition, government necessarily forces morality upon the people. - MAS - 11:55pm 2/8/12
  - You're a fool!. .. having this conversation with you would take too much energy. Simply... [NT] - jimbasil - 10:55pm 2/8/12
- Oh, I see, it was Sebellius, not Obama...certainly. Look out when there is no election coming! - BaronVonZemo - 10:28pm 2/8/12

OK, I've seen enough dead children in Syria, time for Assad to go. - AlbanyIRISH - 6:56pm 2/8/12 (1) [View All]

and with great vengeance !!! - oinker - 8:22pm 2/8/12

....less than $50k in assets. Come on Gary. - Buddy Lee - 4:26pm 2/8/12 (2) [View All]

Clearly a doper. [NT] - Killshot - 6:16pm 2/8/12
- w/o a doubt... yet kill he probably was a boozer as well... - oinker - 8:31pm 2/8/12

Archie Manning and Family watching final play of Superbowl. [LINK] - iNDyfan - 2:45pm 2/8/12 (4) [View All]

More importantly - TontoGoldstein - 6:35pm 2/8/12
- Eli Manning's wife? [NT] [IMAGE] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:19pm 2/8/12
  - wow she looks like my wife (when my luv wuz young) !!! damn he's a lucky dude = ) das oinker ^-@-^~ [NT] - oinker - 8:37pm 2/8/12
- She is he future mother of my children..................................... Well,........ maybe not. [NT] - JarHead4ND - 7:39pm 2/8/12

ND Hockey Tickets Question - Flanner525 - 8:59am 2/8/12 (1) [View All]

There appear to be tickets around for Michigan State, but don't see any for Ferris State. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:26pm 2/8/12

Fred, for your files ---> [NT] [LINK] - Iggle - 8:26am 2/8/12 (2) [View All]

Thx! - fredyo - 12:19pm 2/8/12
- christianism..good shit. and Charlotte - hipND - 6:37pm 2/8/12

Hey Kill, did you caucus for Mitt last night? - AlbanyIRISH - 7:09am 2/8/12 (13) [View All]

I'm in Acapulco drink in gin on the strip, playing fronton, and... - Killshot - 6:11pm 2/8/12
- Sounds better than a caucus...but if you were home..... - Chris94 - 8:51pm 2/8/12
  - Probably Romney.... - Killshot - 11:46pm 2/8/12
- Have you bumped into any of Mitt's relatives there? - AlbanyIRISH - 6:59pm 2/8/12
  - Have not bumped into ANYONE because the place is deserted... - Killshot - 11:40pm 2/8/12
Rank-and-file conservatives dislike Romney more than McCain. - McSweeney - 8:05am 2/8/12
- Maybe, but they won't get it..... - Frank L - 9:59am 2/8/12
  - Unfortunately for Mitt the economy seems to be improving. - ND_in_ATL - 4:00pm 2/8/12
    - Watch gas prices....well over $4 could sink Barry..... - Frank L - 6:16pm 2/8/12
      - That's because American's as a whole are fucking morons. - AlbanyIRISH - 6:51pm 2/8/12
        
        Of course they are, read your posts..... - Frank L - 7:03pm 2/8/12
        
        That's the quality of a 14 year old. - AlbanyIRISH - 7:29pm 2/8/12
        
        Hey, you gotta play to your audience...... - Frank L - 7:50pm 2/8/12

Excellent Hamburger.... - jimbasil - 6:04am 2/8/12 (0) [View All]

total class, fredyo wouln't you agree ??? - oinker - 10:10pm 2/7/12 (1) [View All]

Class of 1941? [NT] - fredyo - 10:48pm 2/7/12

What's "fair"? - Killshot - 9:34pm 2/7/12 (4) [View All]

Re: What's "fair"? - oinker - 9:48pm 2/7/12
- Yeah, I get it. Our approaches are just a little different, that's all... - Killshot - 6:14pm 2/8/12
- Re: What's "fair"? - Joe McLaughlin - 12:22pm 2/8/12
  - Excisely. [NT] - Killshot - 6:15pm 2/8/12

All this religious talk reminds me... - ND_in_ATL - 9:03pm 2/7/12 (1) [View All]

beats fanaticism (sp) ... see dat here too mucho : ( - oinker - 9:27pm 2/7/12

do pols get under yer skin ??? - oinker - 9:01pm 2/7/12 (6) [View All]

Who is rick? [NT] - ND_in_ATL - 9:28pm 2/7/12
- sigh ~~~ santorum... ^-@-^~ [NT] - oinker - 9:30pm 2/7/12
  - This guy? [IMAGE] - MAS - 9:42pm 2/7/12
    - I'm wondering..why does a photograph of an adolescent.. - Joe McLaughlin - 2:41pm 2/8/12
      - Yes, bringing home your stillborn fetus to meet the family renders you a goofball. - MAS - 6:05pm 2/8/12
    - yup, i'm in the same yearbook... GO CORSAIRS !!! das oinker ^-@-^~ [NT] - oinker - 9:51pm 2/7/12

39000000 hits and ya wonder why i'm worried... - oinker - 8:52pm 2/7/12 (0) [View All]

Sounds like Axelrod just sounded the retreat. [LINK] - Iggle - 7:23pm 2/7/12 (52) [View All]

Jesus & the 12 apostles themselves wouldn't be exempted from Obama's abortion/Birth Control mandate. - BaronVonZemo - 9:28pm 2/8/12
I think most of us assumed that Obama would do the right thing. [NT] - LehighND - 10:40am 2/8/12
- He already did the wrong thing by his own direction. Now he might do the right "political thing" [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:31pm 2/8/12
  - This is incorrect. [NT] - LehighND - 9:58pm 2/8/12
    - No, the NYTimes reported that Obama gave Sebellius the specific go ahead on this decision..and - BaronVonZemo - 10:22pm 2/8/12
- It is certainly the smart thing politically.... - Frank L - 11:16am 2/8/12
  - I think it would be a good thing. - LehighND - 7:19pm 2/8/12
And The Fond et al will now applaud the Great Uniter... - Killshot - 8:41pm 2/7/12
- Indeed. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:29pm 2/8/12
- whose he [axelrod/snot] ??? - oinker - 9:06pm 2/7/12
  - DOINKER! [NT] - Charlie Jrs Headset - 9:10pm 2/7/12
    - CJH !!! mien fruend : ) das oinker ^-@-^~ [NT] - oinker - 9:29pm 2/7/12
      - Here's one for you - Charlie Jrs Headset - 9:31pm 2/7/12
        
        back @ u = ) baby baby baby ... - oinker - 10:32pm 2/7/12
Glad to see Romney just called morning after pills, "abortive pills". - ND_in_ATL - 8:36pm 2/7/12
- Actually, it is definitely the same thing...at least to practicing catholics... - BaronVonZemo - 9:33pm 2/8/12
- The very name indicates they are abortive. - NedoftheHill - 9:05pm 2/7/12
  - So you don't think the term "abortive" is politically charged/motivated in this case? - ND_in_ATL - 9:13pm 2/7/12
    - On the contrary, you are demonsrating how out of touch with science you [and your ilk] are. - NedoftheHill - 11:16pm 2/7/12
      - A lot of that is fact, but the definition of abortion is different. - LehighND - 10:37am 2/8/12
        
        No, pregnancy , and life, begins with conception. - BaronVonZemo - 9:35pm 2/8/12
        
        Nuanced! - NedoftheHill - 12:14pm 2/8/12
      - A zygote with unique DNA but no brainwaves is no more human than a potted shrub. - McSweeney - 8:40am 2/8/12
        
        So is intelligence the measure of humanity then? Is humanity determined bya specific organ function? - BaronVonZemo - 9:37pm 2/8/12
        
        Your definition (brainwaves must be present) is not in line with science. - NedoftheHill - 9:22am 2/8/12
        
        Nuanced! - Rock03 - 12:43pm 2/8/12
        
        Science does not say it is life but not human life. It has human DNA; it can only be human life. - NedoftheHill - 3:56pm 2/8/12
        
        You're tripping all over yourself on this. - McSweeney - 4:33pm 2/8/12
        
        No need to take the analogy any further than I took it. - NedoftheHill - 4:45pm 2/8/12
        
        A dog zygote is a dog zygote. It's not a freaking dog. - McSweeney - 9:04pm 2/8/12
        
        A human without a functioning brain is not a human - McSweeney - 12:08pm 2/8/12
        
        Taking someone off life support is not the same as cutting them up into pieces. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:13pm 2/8/12
        
        And cutting someone into pieces is not the same as nuking a brainless zygote. - McSweeney - 1:47pm 2/8/12
        
        Not trying to put words in your mouth; just trying to destroy your analogy. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:41pm 2/8/12
        
        ..and what will 100% of those zygotes become if allowed??..LIGHT BULB!...why a human baby of course. [NT] - Joe McLaughlin - 2:20pm 2/8/12
        
        LIGHT BULB! Potential does not equal actual. - McSweeney - 4:34pm 2/8/12
        
        This is simply not true. [LINK] - LehighND - 2:38pm 2/8/12
        
        That's your opinion, and frankly it doesn't matter in this issue. - Iggle - 9:09am 2/8/12
        
        I'm arguing just the aside, not the issue. [NT] - McSweeney - 12:10pm 2/8/12
        
        Good point. It doesn't matter. - NedoftheHill - 9:26am 2/8/12
        
        Except that ND_in_ATL was exactly right. - LehighND - 10:40am 2/8/12
        
        It is important to define our terms. - NedoftheHill - 12:37pm 2/8/12
        
        Re: It is important to define our terms. - ChicagoIrish - 3:05pm 2/8/12
        
        I actually am not trying to make any point by using the word "pro-abortion" - NedoftheHill - 4:08pm 2/8/12
        
        Re: I actually am not trying to make any point by using the word "pro-abortion" - ChicagoIrish - 4:55pm 2/8/12
        
        It's all about the spectrum. - LehighND - 1:55pm 2/8/12
        
        That is a fairly accurate description. [NT] - Frank L - 6:22pm 2/8/12
- He's certainly a wonderful candidate for the Republicans to get behind - Charlie Jrs Headset - 8:51pm 2/7/12
  - Furthermore, let's examine Romney's consistency on this issue [LINK] - Charlie Jrs Headset - 9:00pm 2/7/12
    - I think we've had enough ideological consistency over the past 12 years - Iggle - 8:29am 2/8/12
- And your point is? [NT] - Killshot - 8:37pm 2/7/12
  - Just reading Iggle's link. [NT] - ND_in_ATL - 8:40pm 2/7/12

The Newt as seen by The Dowd..... [LINK] - jimbasil - 3:04pm 2/7/12 (23) [View All]

Maureen is the original Woman Scorned...and a bad female copy of Bill Maher vying for attention. [NT] - Killshot - 8:46pm 2/7/12
- I guess. I wouldn't know. You must have some inside intel. Do tell. [NT] - jimbasil - 8:48pm 2/7/12
  - He once walked in on Dowd, Ann Coulter and Stephen Moore in bed at a Claremont Institute lyceum. - MAS - 11:00pm 2/7/12
Even it's on NY times, it's still a women talk. a women talks about another women. [NT] - Eli - 3:22pm 2/7/12
- Even with an edit, you can't fix stupin. [NT] - jimbasil - 3:30pm 2/7/12
  - Stuck on schtupin'. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 10:34am 2/8/12
    - Re: Stuck on Lupin'. - jimbasil - 3:13pm 2/8/12
  - He's a two-term president of his Tea Party Local. - MAS - 7:42pm 2/7/12
  - That's stupin a little low, wouldn't you say? [NT] - ndficoop - 7:32pm 2/7/12
    - Not so. [LINK] - jimbasil - 5:32am 2/8/12
Isn't this the same ##### who criticized men for not wanting educated women? - Hank Scorpio - 3:09pm 2/7/12
- "Gingrinch?" - MAS - 7:46pm 2/7/12
- I bet she secretly has a pee pee. [NT] - ndficoop - 7:33pm 2/7/12
  - Ask Killshot, he has scorned her. - jimbasil - 9:16pm 2/7/12
- I'm not sure she's attacking that value here. - jimbasil - 3:29pm 2/7/12
  - She the spent the article parlaying sarcastic insults against Mrs Gingrich - Hank Scorpio - 9:02pm 2/7/12
    - Well, she's not alone. To me, The Mrs. Newt comes across like an alien or - jimbasil - 9:09pm 2/7/12
  - She's not. - MAS - 7:43pm 2/7/12
- She has feet the size of canoes. [NT] [IMAGE] - TakethetrainKnute - 3:25pm 2/7/12
  - You should see her hands...very tiny. - fredyo - 9:59pm 2/7/12
  - That is taken at Bar Centrale on 46th street above Orso Rest. That is Joe Allen as the Bartender. - jimbasil - 3:33pm 2/7/12
    - Joe the Bartender? [NT] - MAS - 8:05pm 2/7/12
      - Kind of. He owns several restaurants - jimbasil - 8:47pm 2/7/12

Kudos to Biden for admitting government subsidies have increased CollegeTuition - Eli - 2:45pm 2/7/12 (5) [View All]

It's one of the factors.... - Chris94 - 4:17pm 2/7/12
- As usual, wrong.... - Killshot - 9:07pm 2/7/12
- Banks would not make the loans they do without government guarantees and bankruptcy exemption. - NDFaninNJ - 5:34pm 2/7/12
  - They would make almost the same loan packages - Chris94 - 7:35pm 2/7/12
    - My law school loans 11 years ago were federally subsidized (and non-dischargeable). - NDFaninNJ - 11:01pm 2/7/12

The final warrior of the Great War has passed away. [LINK] - AlbanyIRISH - 2:09pm 2/7/12 (0) [View All]

A series about high-stakes gambling & horse racing starring Hoffman and Nolte should be great. - McSweeney - 1:37pm 2/7/12 (4) [View All]

Luckily zombies and aliens return this Sunday [NT] - Chris94 - 2:37pm 2/7/12
I felt the same about Boardwalk Empire. - saNDiego03 - 2:00pm 2/7/12
And yet, it is the worst crap ever slung on TV. Hoffman must be hurting for scheckles. [NT] - TontoGoldstein - 1:57pm 2/7/12
- For crap's sake, those blasphemous mofos cast Dawson Leery's mother as a prostitute! [NT] - McSweeney - 2:14pm 2/7/12

"Act of Valor" or should I say, Act of Cliche, .... - jimbasil - 10:24pm 2/6/12 (7) [View All]

Tone deaf? Maybe you just needed to be entertained a little more... - Killshot - 6:42pm 2/7/12
- I didn't say I wasn't entertained. - jimbasil - 8:53pm 2/7/12
Why did you bother to see that? - Iggle - 10:04am 2/7/12
- The reality was, I didn't know which film I was screening - jimbasil - 10:35am 2/7/12
How were active duty SEALS permitted to participate in this? - AlbanyIRISH - 7:13am 2/7/12
- I'm not sure all were active members, at least not the leads. - jimbasil - 9:03am 2/7/12
  - Charlie Sheen has "tiger blood!" [NT] - guiness4everyone - 1:32pm 2/7/12

Anybody live in Myrtle Beach? - twostep - 6:51pm 2/6/12 (6) [View All]

I'd commute up from Pawley's Island. [NT] - McSweeney - 11:49am 2/7/12
- This. [NT] - AlbanyIRISH - 5:34pm 2/7/12
No [NT] - Slacker - 7:50am 2/7/12
Will we all get a discount at the Mini-Golf you're managing? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 7:13am 2/7/12
- well done.... [NT] - weisguy19 - 8:29am 2/7/12
Is this a trick question? [NT] - jimbasil - 9:52pm 2/6/12

Great source for new international alternative tunes. [NT] [LINK] - AlbanyIRISH - 5:23pm 2/6/12 (0) [View All]

Canadian Eh? Where's winter? - jimbasil - 1:20pm 2/6/12 (0) [View All]

I will stop just short of saying the NBA sucks...I saw Mac's Pacers out hustle and beat - irishscooter - 1:19pm 2/6/12 (0) [View All]

Mac post party wrap up? [NT] - jabi - 11:04am 2/6/12 (9) [View All]

Just an amazing week. - McSweeney - 1:09pm 2/6/12
- According to Schefter, that was the universal sentiment among the NFL brass. - NDFaninNJ - 1:22pm 2/6/12
  - I agree we caught a break with the weather. Median forecast for the week was like sunny and 58. - McSweeney - 1:31pm 2/6/12
    - The flip side is if NYC knocks it out of the park and supplants Indy. - NDFaninNJ - 2:39pm 2/6/12
      - Don't think that's possible even if your stadium had a roof. [LINK] - McSweeney - 3:38pm 2/6/12
        
        Your reply is true, but could be boiled down to 6 words ... - NDFaninNJ - 5:17pm 2/6/12
        
        Major whiff by New York right there. [IMAGE] - McSweeney - 5:32pm 2/6/12
        
        Not a whiff if we NYS taxpayers were footing the bill. - AlbanyIRISH - 6:42pm 2/7/12
        
        You notice the Albany Times Union giving Indy daily blow jobs? [LINK] - McSweeney - 7:34pm 2/7/12

U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops respond to the White House, saying, essentially, "You lie." [LINK] - NedoftheHill - 10:15am 2/6/12 (121) [View All]

When religious freedom interferes with personal liberty, religion should lose. - ND_in_ATL - 8:49pm 2/7/12
I respond to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, saying, essentially, "You lie." - CC Fond - 1:00am 2/7/12
- Well said CC, and welcome back. [NT] - ND_in_ATL - 8:49pm 2/7/12
- You can't have it coming and going. The church and state thing suddenly evaporates when convenient? [NT] - TontoGoldstein - 12:24pm 2/7/12
  - That wasn't Mrs. Goldstein's position. [NT] - NDFaninNJ - 2:09pm 2/7/12
    - HA! [NT] - fredyo - 8:01pm 2/7/12
- BS...and coming from a gum nit employee, yet.... - Killshot - 10:17am 2/7/12
  - My fav is that all businesses are now compelled to provide, wait for it... - fredyo - 7:54pm 2/7/12
- Bonjour, mon ami! - fredyo - 9:44am 2/7/12
- My favorite part - Flanner525 - 9:22am 2/7/12
- Nice to see a post from an old fond. How's living in socialist Europe? - jimbasil - 9:20am 2/7/12
- Nice to see you've been working on your brevity while you were away. - NDFaninNJ - 5:21am 2/7/12
  - Better than I thought. I was expecting to have to Google Translate it from French [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 6:49am 2/7/12
What a bullshit issue. It has nothing to do with religious freedom. - Chris94 - 10:20pm 2/6/12
- This is why the church is getting out of the health care (hospital) business. [NT] - TontoGoldstein - 12:26pm 2/7/12
- Just telling us how much of our faith we are allowed to live. - BaronVonZemo - 8:23am 2/7/12
  - "abortion agents"? - ND_in_ATL - 8:50pm 2/7/12
    - Re: "abortion agents"? - LehighND - 10:12am 2/8/12
  - Exactly right. And rightly so. - Chris94 - 10:01am 2/7/12
    - Interestingly, it is the other way around this time. - NedoftheHill - 4:52pm 2/7/12
      - So birth control now equal human sacrifice? - ND_in_ATL - 8:55pm 2/7/12
        
        Some definitions to help you understand the issue - NedoftheHill - 9:39am 2/8/12
        
        The problem is you have a different definition of "human created" - ND_in_ATL - 2:51pm 2/8/12
        
        Except that the HHS does not mandate coverage for abortion. - LehighND - 10:07am 2/8/12
    - It's like those Christian Scientists... - jakers - 1:40pm 2/7/12
- It has everything to do with religious freedom. - NedoftheHill - 12:06am 2/7/12
  - Catholics have every right to not provide insurance for birth control pills - Chris94 - 10:05am 2/7/12
    - Then you agree with me and disagree with the Obama administration? - NedoftheHill - 10:59am 2/7/12
      - Yes...if they get out of the health care business - Chris94 - 11:18am 2/7/12
        
        Consicence clauses and the like are established, tested, and popular - SouthPhillyDirtbag - 11:59am 2/7/12
        
        Consicence clauses are for individuals, not institutions - Chris94 - 12:07pm 2/7/12
        
        I don't think that's true [LINK] - SouthPhillyDirtbag - 1:28pm 2/7/12
    - Then burkas are out if you work for the "secular world"? Your 2 faces are showing. [NT] - Killshot - 10:20am 2/7/12
      - Hardly. Catholics can wear whatever the hell they want at work. - Chris94 - 10:22am 2/7/12
        
        What about these other forms of conscience protection? Should we do away with them? - NedoftheHill - 11:04am 2/7/12
        
        You seriously don't understand the difference? - Chris94 - 11:22am 2/7/12
        
        I was extending the HHS decision to what I think are the natural consequences. - NedoftheHill - 4:51pm 2/7/12
    - When do you think Obama will cave in to the pressure on this? - Iggle - 10:11am 2/7/12
  - Should a member of the Church of the Brethren or other peace churches be forced to subsidize war? - MAS - 12:28am 2/7/12
    - Catholics are forced to support Planned Parenthood through taxation. - NedoftheHill - 9:25am 2/7/12
      - In fairness, the whole taxation issue was settled by Diamond J Himself - Chris94 - 10:15am 2/7/12
        
        If by Diamond J you mean Jesus, then you are absolutely correct. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:57am 2/7/12
- Next thing the gov't will tell us we can't burn witches at the stake... - LehighND - 11:36pm 2/6/12
  - Maybe someday the government will tell us we can't chemically burn & dismember the unborn. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:07am 2/7/12
    - Or rip kidneys or spleens or tonsils out of people. - LehighND - 1:05am 2/7/12
      - I don't get your point. - NedoftheHill - 9:20am 2/7/12
        
        It's not like it's open season on fetuses or kidneys. - LehighND - 1:28pm 2/7/12
They've lost their way. - LehighND - 2:44pm 2/6/12
- What logical fallacies? - BaronVonZemo - 8:29am 2/7/12
  - You are arguing the underlying issue. - LehighND - 1:17pm 2/7/12
- I wonder if the WH will allege that the Church is engaging in political activity? - TontoGoldstein - 5:03pm 2/6/12
- The backlash against the White House will wane if the bishops take the lead alone - SouthPhillyDirtbag - 3:00pm 2/6/12
  - I think you are correct. The more vocal they are, the more liberal Catholics they alienate. [NT] - LehighND - 4:03pm 2/6/12
    - Your term "liberal catholic is an oxymoron. Catholicism isn't either lib or conserv - BaronVonZemo - 8:37am 2/7/12
      - Yes there is. - LehighND - 9:52am 2/7/12
        
        There is a difference between sinning Catholics (everyone) and Cafeteria Catholics (subset) - NedoftheHill - 10:52am 2/7/12
        
        It's not either/or - LehighND - 11:30am 2/7/12
    - If you are correct (and you may be), then it will be a watershed moment for American Catholicism. - NedoftheHill - 4:42pm 2/6/12
      - When you rid the pews of all those that use contraception, let me know. - LehighND - 11:07pm 2/6/12
- Regardless of who is correct, it is remarkable that Barry did this. - Iggle - 2:54pm 2/6/12
  - Part of me wonders if this isn't going to turn into a brilliant (and disgusting) bit of politics. - NedoftheHill - 3:00pm 2/6/12
    - Wait, the majority of Catholics vote Democrat? - LanceHarbor - 4:28pm 2/6/12
      - You're kidding, yes? Been drinking too much again? You can't be that dumb. [NT] - Killshot - 5:12pm 2/6/12
        
        This isn't freaking 1960. - McSweeney - 5:43pm 2/6/12
        
        See my demographic link below...which is from 2008. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:04pm 2/6/12
        
        That data isn't as compelling as you seem to think it is. - McSweeney - 8:43pm 2/6/12
      - Yes, Catholics are traditionally liberal, not conservative. [IMAGE] - NedoftheHill - 4:48pm 2/6/12
      - used to be a lot more common; now fairly mixed - ChicagoIrish - 4:41pm 2/6/12
    - Nahhh - Iggle - 3:18pm 2/6/12
- There is a lot of meat there for you to criticize, but you only make a blanket statement. - NedoftheHill - 2:49pm 2/6/12
  - OK. - LehighND - 3:35pm 2/6/12
    - OK, you are wrong on all counts.... - Killshot - 5:19pm 2/6/12
      - That is a massive stretch. I am with the Church on this issue, but the Bishops' answers are awful. - NDFaninNJ - 5:23pm 2/6/12
        
        I disagree. When they said, "false," I think they directly addressed the issue. - NedoftheHill - 5:27pm 2/6/12
        
        Lehigh already did. Quite ably. [NT] - NDFaninNJ - 6:37pm 2/6/12
        
        Actually not. Take another look. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:30pm 2/6/12
        
        No, no. I strenuously object. [NT] - LehighND - 11:36am 2/7/12
        
        I responded to each of your points in detail showing that you never demonstrated a single lie. - NedoftheHill - 4:38pm 2/7/12
        
        I neither acted liked I responded, nor thought I owed one. - LehighND - 5:46pm 2/7/12
        
        If you had responded to me, then your joke would have had a sharper point. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:15pm 2/7/12
        
        Oh, you STRENUOUSLY OBJECT. In that case, I'll have to reconsider. [NT] - NDFaninNJ - 1:03pm 2/7/12
        
        One of the few legal movies I can tolerate, by the way. - NedoftheHill - 6:17pm 2/7/12
    - Disagree on all counts. - NedoftheHill - 4:40pm 2/6/12
      - If I must [NT] - LehighND - 5:48pm 2/7/12
        
        Seriously, no need. I only pushed because of your joke on me above. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:16pm 2/7/12
I wish I had more respect for the Bishops....but if there is one group well practiced in the art of - irishscooter - 1:27pm 2/6/12
- I applaud them for taking the stand that they did. [NT] - Killshot - 5:21pm 2/6/12
The Army edited the Military Services Archdiocese letter before approving it...but not to be read... - NedoftheHill - 11:55am 2/6/12
On a semi-related note, I attended my first-ever "contemporary Christian" service on Sunday... - McSweeney - 11:05am 2/6/12
- Great!!!........ - sh025 - 12:12pm 2/6/12
  - The minister was approachable, the service personally engaging, and the songs didn't suck. - McSweeney - 12:55pm 2/6/12
    - That's awesome!!! [NT] - sh025 - 2:14pm 2/6/12
      - No offense to everyone here, but I don't get it. - NedoftheHill - 3:03pm 2/6/12
        
        All claim a monopoly on "Truth" - LehighND - 3:46pm 2/6/12
        
        Granted, but everyone here was congratulating Mac on finding good Sunday entertainment/validation - NedoftheHill - 4:04pm 2/6/12
        
        You seem to be falling back on the old Catholic tendency to talk at me, not to me. - McSweeney - 4:41pm 2/6/12
        
        My apologies in that regard. - NedoftheHill - 5:09pm 2/6/12
        
        The grant of authority in Scripture is more metaphorical than literal to me. - McSweeney - 5:21pm 2/6/12
        
        Why do you think/feel the catholic church was the first church? I now in the New Testement the... - sh025 - 5:58pm 2/6/12
        
        The Church was "Catholic" from early on. - NedoftheHill - 6:17pm 2/6/12
        
        "Equates" is not the best word choice - NedoftheHill - 5:38pm 2/6/12
        
        No offense, but religion will not get you to Heaven. [NT] - sh025 - 3:21pm 2/6/12
        
        I was talking about Truth, not Heaven. They may be the same--you tell me. - NedoftheHill - 3:53pm 2/6/12
        
        Truth, Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" no one comes onto the Father except - sh025 - 5:12pm 2/6/12
        
        You pick your favorite passage. OK. Read the entire thing. - NedoftheHill - 5:56pm 2/6/12
        
        I'm reading the entire thing and not seeing what you're seeing. - McSweeney - 8:24pm 2/6/12
        
        We know Jesus didn't intend to write a book...he wrote nothing. - NedoftheHill - 9:44pm 2/6/12
        
        You're extrapolating a lot from a little, again. - McSweeney - 10:45pm 2/6/12
        
        You don't think saying "upon which I will build my church" means Jesus meant to establish a church? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:44pm 2/6/12
        
        What I think is you cite Jesus' Aramaic tongue only when it suits your argument. - McSweeney - 10:04am 2/7/12
        
        "You are Rock, and upon this rock, I will build my informal assembly of people, not a church." - NedoftheHill - 10:55am 2/7/12
        
        I think Catholicism works because it's comfortable and predictable, and that's fine. - McSweeney - 11:18am 2/7/12
        
        Same could be said about Matthew 16:18...... - sh025 - 7:17pm 2/6/12
        
        Sorry, but you are wrong. [IMAGE] - NedoftheHill - 9:07pm 2/6/12
        
        I think you're both crazy, parsing translations to fit your own personal agendas. - McSweeney - 11:09pm 2/6/12
        
        We'll be waiting for you. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:45pm 2/6/12
        
        For what reason should Mac choose Catholicism? - LanceHarbor - 4:34pm 2/6/12
        
        The reasons will differ depending on the context - NedoftheHill - 5:23pm 2/6/12
        
        One man's journey .. video. - madiganirish - 8:29pm 2/6/12
- Good on ya. [NT] - Killshot - 12:05pm 2/6/12
- Vaya con Dios. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 12:04pm 2/6/12

And this just in, it is not just the college football coaches who are cheating. [LINK] - BaronVonZemo - 8:19am 2/6/12 (0) [View All]

Better think twice about giving the state your e-mail address. [LINK] - BaronVonZemo - 8:06am 2/6/12 (0) [View All]

Better yet, another lasting image of an ND man crushing a Michigan man in the closing minutes. [NT] - McSweeney - 10:20pm 2/5/12 (5) [View All]

Or a UM man making the most important catch of the game. Just sayin'. - jimbasil - 10:23pm 2/5/12
- I thought Collinsworth was way off on that criticism of Manningham's route. - NDFaninNJ - 10:53am 2/6/12
  - They obviously had that fantastic "stay 5 yards away" animated graphic queued up - Iggle - 12:13pm 2/6/12
  - I think Collinsworth was making the point - jimbasil - 11:50am 2/6/12
I'm giddy right now. [NT] - jakers - 10:23pm 2/5/12

W-O-R-L-D C-H-A-M-P-I-O-N-S - Hank Scorpio - 9:54pm 2/5/12 (11) [View All]

The refs did everything they could to help New England. - jakers - 10:17pm 2/5/12
- No kidding - Hank Scorpio - 10:36pm 2/5/12
  - Collinsworth should have just worn a Brady jersey in the booth tonight. - jakers - 10:39pm 2/5/12
    - "Wes Welker makes that catch 100 out of 100 times." - McSweeney - 9:44am 2/6/12
      - Maybe Bob Costas' facelift had him a bit off his game. [NT] - jakers - 9:45am 2/6/12
        
        Costas is gonna wind up like a dwarf Bruce Jenner. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:50am 2/6/12
    - I liked it when he pointed out Brady's multiple SB-winning drives before that last drive. - McSweeney - 9:10am 2/6/12
      - Exactly. - jakers - 9:33am 2/6/12
    - You can say that twice. What was up with the Brent Mushmouth commentating tonight by him? [NT] - jimbasil - 11:09pm 2/5/12
- I'm still cryin'...boo hoo. [NT] - fredyo - 10:24pm 2/5/12
The zebras have been doin' it all night! Too bad for them....HAHAHAHAHA! [NT] - fredyo - 9:56pm 2/5/12

Say goodbye to the Giants unless they can get some pressure on Brady, it's over. - jimbasil - 8:45pm 2/5/12 (7) [View All]

17-15 and it's over? [NT] - fredyo - 8:58pm 2/5/12
- The G D ain't really doin' it. Brady's in a zone. [NT] - jimbasil - 9:02pm 2/5/12
  - Nice no call on Brady's INT. Face mask penalty, much? [NT] - fredyo - 9:06pm 2/5/12
    - yeah and did I mention, no love from the officials? [NT] - jimbasil - 9:27pm 2/5/12
      - Is it Tynes time? [NT] - fredyo - 9:41pm 2/5/12
        
        Could be. [NT] - jimbasil - 9:42pm 2/5/12
        
        Guess not. :57 for NE. [NT] - fredyo - 9:46pm 2/5/12

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