While last night’s release of the most recent playoff rankings did indeed deal a crushing blow to Notre Dame’s playoff hopes, the Irish are not out of the playoff race by any means although at this point they do almost certainly need help in addition to a victory on the Farm this weekend.
First off, Notre Dame has to take care of business this weekend as an underdog on the road against Stanford – a venue in which the Irish have not won since that disastrous 2007 campaign. If the Irish don’t take down the Cardinal, then all of this conjecture over rankings is moot to begin.
So for the sake of this argument, let’s say Notre Dame does indeed win this weekend. Notre Dame will need to find a way to jump two spots in the rankings to get into the playoffs and all of the teams ahead of them do have tough, potentially lose-able games left on their slates.
Let’s start with media darling Oklahoma. Ever since the first playoff rankings were released and the Sooners were outside the top 10, media types like Kirk Herbstreit, have been singing their praises as a darkhorse playoff contender. Well a few weeks later the Sooners have jumped all the way up to #3 – improving 4 spots this week alone – thanks to wins over Baylor and TCU. We won’t get into the merit of those wins right now because its clear the committee values them and their opinions are the only ones that matter.
Oklahoma will face off against #11 Oklahoma State this weekend and it is far from a forgone conclusion that the Sooners will walk over their in-state rivals. Oklahoma State only suffered their first loss of the season this past weekend and would love nothing more than to ruin Oklhoma’s season. What’s important here though is that while Notre Dame can impress the voters this weekend, with the Sooners also facing a team ranked right in the vicinity of Stanford its hard to imagine anything short of an absolute Notre Dame blowout being enough to get the committee to place Notre Dame back above Oklahoma in the event both win. So in short, root for Oklahoma State here.
Note, while Oklahoma leads the Bedlam Series 84-18-7, Oklahoma State has won two of the last four meetings including an upset of #18 Oklahoma last year. Four of the last five n the series have also all been decided by 9 points or less The only ne that didn’t? Oklahoma State’s 44-10 drubbing of Oklahoma in 2011. Two have also gone into overtime.
The only other path to the playoffs assuming Oklahoma wins out would be for some chaos in the Big 10 or SEC. Alabama is firmly the #2 team, but if they were to say lose this weekend to unranked Auburn, they would have two losses – both to unranked teams and just a single win over a top 25 on their resume even if they still won the SEC.
In the Big 10, only Iowa remains unbeaten. The Hawkeyes face off against the same Nebraska team that has given Michigan State its only loss of the season. Perhaps lightning can strike twice for the Cornhuskers. For Michigan State, the Spartans have to beat Penn State this weekend to punch their ticket to the Big 10 Championship. Penn State is coming off back to back losses but can salvage their season with an upset of the Spartans.
Again, just for argument’s sakes, let’s say Penn State upsets Michigan State this weekend and Michigan takes down Ohio State. If that happens, Michigan would go to the Big 10 Championship to take on Iowa. Would a 2-loss Michigan team go to the playoffs over the Fighting Irish? That would be an argument for the ages if it were to play out that way.
Before you discredit all of these upset scenarios as unbelievable or impossible remember that the road to the national championship is paved with the broken dreams of teams who got upset in the final week(s) of the season. It might not happen every year, but it happens in a lot of them.
So you see, in poker terms, Notre Dame still has a lot of out cards left in the deck. We’re just not sitting pretty with the “nuts” heading into the river this weekend.
Aside from all of the potential upsets above that could help the Irish, Notre Dame absolutely needs its good wins to remain looking “good” this week by having its opponents win. Temple can cap off a 10-2 regular season with a win versus Bobby Diaco’s UConn. Navy can pick up its 10th win of the season if it can take down Houston on the road as well. Pitt can get to 9 wins this weekend by taking care of tailspinning Miami. If all three were to win this weekend, Pitt will likely be ranked in the top 25, Temple should move up closer to the top 20, and Navy will likely creep up into the low teens.
With such a scenario, Notre Dame, assuming a win this weekend, would then have four wins over ranked opponents on its resume. That’s a pretty solid resume.
So while yesterday’s rankings are indeed a bummer – especially since it looked like Notre Dame had some semblance of control over its own destiny just two weeks ago, there is still a good chance the Irish still get every male Notre Dame fan with a girlfriend in trouble for having to make New Year’s Eve plans around a playoff game.
No ND doesn’t control their own destiny. I would contend that happened after Clemson game. Solid #4 was for those 2weeks. Subject to change with remaining games of other schools and big 12 finishing their back loaded schedule. CFPC stated just that. We as fans didn’t listen to those coments. Assuming ND was locked. Underperforming games didn’t help. Now Navy, Pitt, Iowa too. Never was a lock. Still games left, so it will be entertaining at least. Looking forward to today’s game. Heading out the door now for Palo Alto now. Thanks.
i think the person who said notre dame should play that 13th game, one of the other independant schools should play us for that 13th game, so we have a fair shot like everyone else, or at least have that game, be it not a conference champ game, could still be a make or break game for the playoffs, so good idea on the 13th game.
You can only play 12. To play 13 you have to go to Hawaii.
ND can still get to the playoffs, but they no longer control their own destiny.
I’m hoping somebody can help me out on this. I simply don’t know the answer. Every year I read that Notre Dame, because they are an independent team, i.e., no conference, only play 12 games in their season. The good teams in conferences all play 13 because they play for a conference title. Fair enough so far, but what is preventing Notre Dame from adding a 13th game to its schedule. Is there no other team in the US Division1 who wouldn’t like to take a swing at the mighty Fighting Irish? Wouldn’t one more win stand them in good stead with the CFP committee.
As I said at the opening of this comment, I simply don’t know the answer to my own question which is why I am asking.
Can anyone in the UHND community shed some light on this for me?
BTW – I agree that they need to smack the stuffing out of Stanford if they are going to have any chance at the playoff. On the other hand, they should smack the stuffing out of Stanford simply because they are Stanford.
This stuff is really fun to read. You all are WAY smarter analytically than me. And because of (despite?) that, I just shake my head and think to myself: 1) Be serene. “Do what you can and f-&% ’em if they can’t take a joke.” 2) I live in MA and am a Patriots’ fan. Coach Kelly spent some time with THE Coach Pooba this Summer. Bellychuck-lines? a. “Do your job.” b. “It is what it is.”
Simplicity or simplism?
Just do your bes and hope the answer is “simplicity.”
Which would be a better season for the Irish, getting to the playoffs and having a bad loss to finish 11-2 or not getting to the playoffs and winning one of the Big Six bowls and finishing 12-1?
The Irish don’t just have to win at Stanford, they need to beat them handily by 10 to 20 points. A convincing win plus some help may negate the poor play in Boston. If they just squeak by by a field goal I doubt that impresses the committee enough to move them up if the top four win.
You talk about Oregon losing like it was a good thing. In actuality it forced ND to play Alabama which was the WORST thing.
I still remember back in 2012 we were undefeated and needed Oregon and Kansas State to lose to move to the top 2. We only needed one to lose, never in a million years did I imagine both would lose, IN THE SAME NIGHT. So it can happen.
The easiest path would be for OK State to beat OK. They do that and I think we’re in. OK State’s and Baylor’s schedules do not stack well against ND’s. And OK State is a solid team very capable of taking down OK. The Big 10 scenario is tougher because there’s a couple things that need to happen. Still possible but not likely (though like 2012 maybe it all happens and there are 2 open spots). But certainly, ND has to beat Stanford. None of this matters otherwise.
It’s funny, who would have thought a year ago Temple, Navy and Pitt could help our SOS.